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 Hurricane Katrina is made US like Somalia

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Posted on 09-02-05 7:29 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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It is amazing the way people are acting in the parts where Hurricane Katrina has hit... looting... gangraping.... deaths.... firing on rescue workers.... and much more.... here was a strange picture which I really think to see and read the writings on it and think what kind of world is that part being.......

 
Posted on 09-03-05 1:54 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Since everybody is monday morning quarterbacking, I guess I'm gonna chime in too. To some extent, the MAYOR and the GOVERNOR *are* also at fault for waiting till SUNDAY AFTERNOON to order evacuation of New Orleans. Unless you are trying to politicize this goddamn disaster, you should easily conclude that the two *are* also at fault. As Bill O'Reilly was reporting yesterday, Governor Blanco did not prepare for the worst case scenario. When a Cat-5 hurricane is about to hit New Orleans, you need to do your utmost to ensure that things run smoothly. The difference between democrats and republicans is that democrats are willing to admit that democrats can be wrong too, while Republicans, the dittoheads they are, almost exclusively support their side.
With all the red tapes and what not, and the lack of communication at the federal as well as at the local level, I could see it from a mile away that we were heading for a major disaster. There will be a huge political fallout, and many heads will be rolling. But it will affect the Republicans more than democrats. And there was that picture of the parking lot full of school buses. Why the hell did the mayor decide not to use those school buses to evacuate people from NOLA? What about the decision he made yesterday? He decided to allow people staying at a hotel to board the bus. Those poor black people trapped in the superdome are mad angry with him, as they rightfully should be. Favouritism should not be tolerated. His defense basically was that he was trying to clear the hotel for firefights, cops and what not.

Since Bush is the *president* of the United States, all fingers will be pointing at him. He's supposed to be our leader. The governor and mayor are responsible but they're small potatoes. It's the big honchos that people remember the most. So to summarize what Bush did wrong:
1. Bush hired an incompetent FEMA director. Under Clinton FEMA was a well-oiled machine. Now, don't get me wrong. Almost every president hires people they know, but most of them are hired as ambassadors and diplomats.
2. Bush took us to Iraq, resulting in scarcity of troops in America. 6000 LA National Guard members are in Iraq, according to one estimate. Anybody but a fool would deny that Iraq didn't contribute to this disaster.
3. The Bush administration slashed funds for the LA army corps of engineers. If the levee had been "fixed" to the extent they were trying to fix it, the damage would have been less severe. Although, we should still keep in mind that for 30 years, they ignored the levee problems in LA. Furthermore, the levee system was built to withstand CAT-3 hurricanes at max.
4. The Bush administration and republicans in general do not believe in global warming. The vast majority of scientists believe that global warming is a reality, and the temperature on the sea surface determines hurricane strength, from what I understand. Yet, the Bush administration turned a blind eye to scientific facts like these, and used these scientiests with no credibility to bolster their view that there is a debate about global warming. The Scientific commuity almost unanimously feel that global warming is a reality.
5. I do agree with Kanye West to a degree when he asserted that the Bush administration does not care about Black people. If this hurricane were about to hit an all-white area, the actions taken by the Bush administration would have been rather swift.
And the gas price hike is going to hurt the president as well. Clinton was blamed by republicans for doing nothing about price increase. Bush, an ex oil baron himself, has done nothing about it, apart from lining the pockets of his corporate buddies.

Bottomline: I blame the mayor, the governor and president Bush. I don't blame the victims like republicans have, claiming that they did not listen to the warning. Some of these people didn't even have $20 to fill up their gas tanks. Many of them don't even own a tv or a radio. Most people who're trapped in New Orleans are poor people. Helping people in times of need is altruism. Republicans call it socialism.


 
Posted on 09-03-05 1:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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How many of you have actually donated to the red cross or other such organizations? I know I have. Let the donations roll.
http://www.redcross.org/


 
Posted on 09-03-05 9:39 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Katrina actually did less damage than expected when it made the landfall.
It was reduced to category 4 from 5 just before it went inland.
New Orleans was devasted more by the flood water from broken levees
 
Posted on 09-04-05 1:26 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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It is not just about hurricane Pam......gulf coast has been a hurricane prone area over the years and it had always given the federal goverment plenty of time to examine the levees of New Orleans which unforetunately was never done.

Last year's Ivan was a wake up call which no one listened to. Ivan was supposed to make a landfall somewhere between mobile alabama and Biloxi mississippi but changed it course and touched ground on gulf shores....between mobile and pensacola area. It would have made a deep impact over new orleans had it made the landfall where weather pundits predicted.


 
Posted on 09-04-05 1:30 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Oh well....I was stranded for four hours in a queue to get gasoline....even enjoyed a little siesta over hungry stomach....and all I get is 20 dollars worth.

If Bush cannot quell the chaos in middle east...he may as well steal some gas and send it south.

For all those caretakers here in sajha....parcel me some bags of ice....shall pay in advance.
 
Posted on 09-04-05 2:53 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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When something happens in america everyone starts to talk, but when people dies in Nepal no body gives a shit, not even the so called nepalese in america. So much americanized.
 
Posted on 09-04-05 3:00 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yeah instead of donating for americans, y don't u donate for nepalese who are suffering. $10 will make a difference in Nepal while u're donating 100's or even 1000's of dollar in US. U don't donate the people victimized by floods and landside or even by army and terrorist in Nepal but u wanna donate the americans. U should be ashamed of being a nepali.
 
Posted on 09-04-05 3:02 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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manepali well you are right, but ke garni we dont have such a strong media...anyways back to katrina.:P


I really cant believe that in this day and age that they have such broken lines of communications between city/state/US government officials as they had in this past week. Some of it can be forgiven because of communication outages in NO, but the LA(BR) <---> DC communication line breakdowns should be unforgivable...with both ends to be blamed.

Hats off to NM Gov for offering NG help, and to everyone who offered help before the hurricane hit. As for the rest of the NG heads....well I guess you can chalk it up to bureaucracy. When i see a massive accident that just happened in the middle of the street, I jump in and offer assistance. I don't wait for the victims to ask for my help....they may not be able to ask for it.

I guess the blame game is starting to be engaged by both sides now:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

 
Posted on 09-04-05 4:27 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Galt; I've sent you an email. So sorry to hear about your troubles.
 
Posted on 09-05-05 4:00 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Another viewpoint:

The Two Americas
By Marjorie Cohn
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Saturday 03 September 2005

Last September, a Category 5 hurricane battered
the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour winds.
More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher
ground ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane
destroyed 20,000 houses, no one died.

What is Cuban President Fidel Castro's secret?
According to Dr. Nelson Valdes, a sociology professor
at the University of New Mexico, and specialist in
Latin America, "the whole civil defense is embedded in
the community to begin with. People know ahead of time
where they are to go."

"Cuba's leaders go on TV and take charge," said
Valdes. Contrast this with George W. Bush's reaction
to Hurricane Katrina. The day after Katrina hit the
Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three
days to make a TV appearance and five days before
visiting the disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times said, "nothing about the president's demeanor yesterday - which seemed casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the depth of the current crisis."

"Merely sticking people in a stadium is
unthinkable" in Cuba, Valdes said. "Shelters all have
medical personnel, from the neighborhood. They have
family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin."

They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV
sets and refrigerators, "so that people aren't
reluctant to leave because people might steal their
stuff," Valdes observed.

After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations
International Secretariat for Disaster Reduction cited
Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation. ISDR
director Salvano Briceno said, "The Cuban way could
easily be applied to other countries with similar
economic conditions and even in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect their population as well as Cuba does."

Our federal and local governments had more than
ample warning that hurricanes, which are growing in
intensity thanks to global warming, could destroy New
Orleans. Yet, instead of heeding those warnings, Bush
set about to prevent states from controlling global
warming, weaken FEMA, and cut the Army Corps of
Engineers' budget for levee construction in New
Orleans by $71.2 million, a 44 percent reduction.

Bush sent nearly half our National Guard troops
and high-water Humvees to fight in an unnecessary war
in Iraq. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief
for Jefferson Paris in New Orleans, noted a year ago,
"It appears that the money has been moved in the
president's budget to handle homeland security and the
war in Iraq."

An Editor and Publisher article Wednesday said the
Army Corps of Engineers "never tried to hide the fact
that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as
well as homeland security - coming at the same time as
federal tax cuts - was the reason for the strain,"
which caused a slowdown of work on flood control and
sinking levees.

"This storm was much greater than protection we
were authorized to provide," said Alfred C. Naomi, a
senior project manager in the New Orleans district of
the corps.

Unlike in Cuba, where homeland security means
keeping the country secure from deadly natural
disasters as well as foreign invasions, Bush has
failed to keep our people safe. "On a fundamental
level," Paul Krugman wrote in yesterday's New York
Times, "our current leaders just aren't serious about
some of the essential functions of government. They
like waging war, but they don't like providing
security, rescuing those in need or spending on
prevention measures. And they never, ever ask for
shared sacrifice."

During the 2004 election campaign, vice
presidential candidate John Edwards spoke of "the two Americas." It seems unfathomable how people can shoot at rescue workers. Yet, after the beating of Rodney King aired on televisions across the country, poor, desperate, hungry people in Watts took over their neighborhoods, burning and looting. Their anger, which had seethed below the surface for so long, erupted. That's what's happening now in New Orleans. And we, mostly white, people of privilege, rarely catch a glimpse of this other America.

"I think a lot of it has to do with race and
class," said Rev. Calvin O. Butts III, pastor of the
Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem. "The people
affected were largely poor people. Poor, black
people."

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin reached a breaking
point Thursday night. "You mean to tell me that a
place where you probably have thousands of people that
have died and thousands more that are dying every day,
that we can't figure out a way to authorize the
resources we need? Come on, man!"

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had
boasted earlier in the day that FEMA and other federal
agencies have done a "magnificent job" under the
circumstances.

But, said, Nagin, "They're feeding the people a
line of bull, and they are spinning and people are
dying. Get off your asses and let's do something!"

When asked about the looting, the mayor said that
except for a few "knuckleheads," it is the result of
desperate people trying to find food and water to
survive.

Nagin blamed the outbreak of violence and crime on
drug addicts who have been cut off from their drug
supplies, wandering the city, "looking to take the
edge off their jones."

When Hurricane Ivan hit Cuba, no curfew was
imposed; yet, no looting or violence took place.
Everyone was in the same boat.

Fidel Castro, who has compared his government's preparations for Hurricane Ivan to the island's long-standing preparations for an invasion by the United States, said, "We've been preparing for this for 45 years."

On Thursday, Cuba's National Assembly sent a
message of solidarity to the victims of Hurricane
Katrina. It says the Cuban people have followed
closely the news of the hurricane damage in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, and the news has caused pain and sadness. The message notes that the hardest hit are African-Americans, Latino workers, and the poor, who still wait to be rescued and taken to secure places, and who have suffered the most fatalities and homelessness. The message concludes by saying that the entire world must feel this tragedy as its own.

Marjorie Cohn, a contributing editor to t r u t h
o u t, is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of
Law, executive vice president of the National Lawyers
Guild, and the US representative to the executive
committee of the American Association of Jurists.

 
Posted on 09-05-05 4:46 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Given the current trajectory, I don't see the Bush coattails to be anything but microscopic in 06. With now having to nominate 2 people for the Supreme Court, there's going to be a LOT of clamoring from the right for someone who's a dyed in the wool conservative. So Bush will either need to pick someone like that and expend a lot of political capital pushing the person through in a firefight, or pick a plain vanilla person and expend that capital in placating the right. Either way, at this point I think the ambitious Bush platform of 2004 is now officially dead.

So what would Bush bring to a congressional campaign? He can't show up to someone's rally and crow about his Social Security reform. Barring a major shift in Iraq, he can't really crow about that. And if Democrats can reframe the terrorism debate around the idea that so much time and money has been spent on "homeland security", yet they just got their butt kicked by a natural disaster, he'll be touring the country with an empty gun. The only thing he'll have is the aura of being the president. But in places where his popularity is at 40% or lower, he might hurt a candidate more than he helps. There's a reason why Bush's only stop to Washington State in 5 years has been for a quick private fund raising event. Having him at your side here is about as effective as having Michael Jackson there.
 
Posted on 09-05-05 4:59 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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And this woman senator's heroics:

''The president's suggestion over the weekend that local officials made mistakes has led one Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu, to threaten to punch him if he says it again. ''

- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4214504.stm
 
Posted on 09-05-05 5:08 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Americans in general are rightly criticized for a lack of empathy, particularly for war. The same could be said of Canadians perhaps- thoser two countries really haven't experienced war the way China has, or Germany, or Italy or the UK or Iraq and Afghanistan. They have no conception of the power of the weapons they produce. They go to airshows and see these magnificent fighter jets, they marvel at the nuclear powered aircraft carriers, line up in droves to watch films that dramatize war but don't show the full reality of it.

Well the rest of the world, meanwhile, has lived through enough war. Thousands of years of it in fact. They know first hand what it's like to be in a bombed out area, hoping for some food and water, having to tend the dead, and being homeless.

America hasn't experienced that -flat out- they have not experienced anything like that since the Civil War. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 lasted one day people. There has been no seige of an American city like the Siege of Leningrad or Stalingrad, no firebombing of Chicago by German fighters like in Dresden, no defoliation of their forrests like they did in Vietnam, no Rape of Seattle like the Japanese did to the Chinese in Nanjing..nothing like that. People there lack empathy for war ravaged lands, not all, but most, simply because they lack the oral histories and traditions and memorials and utter sadness of countries that have experienced this.

The media has gotten some guts in covering the white house in response to the Rove stonewalls, and they have a wealth of documents pre- and during katrina to skewer the administration on misstatements and spin. Investigations on katrina will get nasty for the administration mainly because they will not be able to hide behind the cloud of classified documents withheld because of "national security concerns."

I don't know if Katrina will change this, but one can always hope.
 
Posted on 09-05-05 5:29 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Damn. This sajha.com is responding to me as slow as Bush Admin is to Katrina victims.

And Matrixrose, are we talking about a Hurricane or world wars in here?

''Investigations on katrina will get nasty for the administration mainly because they will not be able to hide behind the cloud of classified documents withheld because of "national security concerns." ''

Maile ta kei bujhina :P

DO you mean Bush will order the Attorney General to prepare a range of documents so that future governments will hide behind them incase Hurricane Fatrina occrs next time? :)


 
Posted on 09-05-05 5:39 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Well sir, if you are good in analyzing you will find the answers in that post and how these two things can be combined and for what and why and how. Just try to go deeper and read again....

1+1=3 Now dont ask me why....:d
 
Posted on 09-05-05 5:50 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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LOL. Go deeper re. Is there a life guard? Me very scared to drown.

1+1=3? Help ! Help! Help! Anybody there?
 
Posted on 09-05-05 5:54 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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LOL. Go deeper re. Is there a life guard? Me very scared to drown.
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chichichi, nasty minded people. :D
 
Posted on 09-05-05 6:13 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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aaja bihana biralo le bato kateko thiyo. K hola bhaneko ta madam ko dialogue sunnu raichha. Thank you very much for taking away today's fear. I wish I could have said I love you :)

 
Posted on 09-05-05 6:47 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ram Ram Ram....no i love you please, yo barsa ko dose pugisakyo... By the way was my pleasure to know that i took your fear away, cause most of the time its the opposite. :D
 
Posted on 09-05-05 7:22 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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''By the way was my pleasure to know that i took your fear away, cause most of the time its the opposite''

Is it? Had I known this before, I could have offered my pleasure to you as well.
Anyway getting a tough grilling everywhere. Seems I am still having a bad day. Wish if
someone continues helping. :)
 



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