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rajesh_karki
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Posted on 08-11-04 1:33
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Did Maoist kill Tanke Dada of Pokhara ?
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GP
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Posted on 08-12-04 12:08
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I probably heard about Tanka Dada. I want to hear the reason for death of Tanka? Were his crime so severe to get death penalty? Dada giri is formula in Nepal. It looks to me that Tanka Dada was a poor guy who could not reach to become Minister in Nepal. Because Uttam Dada, Deepak(Bohara) Dada became Minister, Surya Dada is head of Prajatantrik Party's Kaski Chief. Arjun (already deceased) Dada, I liked him in the sense he was not directly bad to public, but, he served to public and he was surely deadly among third world peoples especially when it comes to backdoor politics in Nepal. You know what? P. Dada. Well, BRB Guru, Prachanda Guru (next stage of dada giri is being Guru, then, Pracharya ......). I will say Dada are poor guys, who are mostly used by some political leaders in background. Deadly peoples are those who like Omrish Puri in Nayak have double faces: in public and on the other side of the curtain. So, we should not be enjoying on the random death of deadly dadas, because that is not going to solve the problem. Because like rear rows of teeth in snakes mouth, there are others in the rear row who will forward to front and replace broken teeths, so snake will not be in trouble for the loss of front teeth's in its bite. What we need is to find the root cause of problem, I will say its backdoor link between political leaders and these dadas. So, I am not enjoying for the death of Tanka Dada, I am just worried a new dada will be there in row and this will remain a chronic problem in Pokhara. Well, Maoists dada giri is not less than Tanka Dada's dada giri, probably more severe and serious and more organized it is. GP
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gal1
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Posted on 08-12-04 12:39
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I use to hear alot about tanke and panche dadas. They use to fight for the politicians but personally they were not so bad i guess. Having higher degree is not only a good thing, you need to be literate and understand wats the exact problem behind ! So lets not blame them. When our country will be free frm Maowadi!!! When!!
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NepaliThito
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Posted on 08-12-04 2:09
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Tanke Dada and Panche Dada Sitaram KC vs Uttam Pun Thats what it was long back.. but now. its all done..
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Melina
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Posted on 08-12-04 2:56
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So it looks like we should regret that we don't have that Gundaa anymore. Or Should we? Damn, I am confused!
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GP
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Posted on 08-12-04 4:32
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Melina, Gunda does not mean that you just kill him while he is on motorbike. Does the crimes he committed fit, the punishment he got? You can not kill someone who committed a crime? My question is that should not the punishment fit his crime. Should we kill just because he is dada? Was he killed in encounters? Does not look like so. Maoists way of punishing peoples for a crime is deplorable. We will not need more time to hear when you ask the same question when a person you know closely is heavily punished for a crime that does not fit the degree of punishment. This is just another Gunda-gardi, and it will keep in reciprocating and its repurcation effects in society. This is a lawlessness, and as Padma Ratna Tuladhar claims that Maoists don't have to follow the law of Nepal, because they have their own unwritten (publicly unavailable for discussions or disagreements). So, I am not going to accept this killing as a punishment for a Gunda. I wanted him to get fair trial and his punishments should fit his crime. The current punishment he got was something like punishment for the crime he did and plus addtional punishment to teach others (threaten) others that see you commit a crime, the punishments will be too heavy. That is important here. If you are agreeing with this punishment tricks, then, your mentality clearly shows old feudal mentality and support to anarchism. Let everyone get a fair trial.(whatever their crime level is) GP
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Melina
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Posted on 08-12-04 4:43
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Abd I bet you wouldn't have vettoed for a 'fair trial' had he been alive or had your family been a vicitim of his 'crimes'.
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disillusioned
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Posted on 08-13-04 5:03
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Tanke died because his presence directly affected Maoists extortion, he allegedly,use to take 'hafta' from businesses, they didn't shot him because he was a bad guy,they shot him because he was a competition.maoist are biggest and baddest gangsters we have here in Nepal right now, in comparison to them tanke, chakre, manage etc. are just the small fish.While they are stronger, if you are arguing about a fair trial, u must b living on some other planet. GP you wrote about arjun dada, I personally knew him, he wasn't a dada kind of person or never acted like one anyway.
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RBaral
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Posted on 08-13-04 5:12
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GPji Are you talking about Arjun Gurung? If that is the case, I second disillusioned's voice. I believe he ran a boarding school in Pokhara. He was only a class senor to me in Amarsing aka Soldier's Board School.
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GP
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Posted on 08-13-04 7:09
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The reasoning given by "Disillusioned" is relevant in the current context of Nepal. As long as I am talking about fair trial, we have to defend it, if today Tanke is killed, tomorrow our close relatives will be killed for a small crime in order to illustrate others not to comit a crime. I still remember a story published by TIME/Newsweek regarding how political circles in China punish their rivals. A small example was a rival was killed blaming for stealing a electric bulb in public place / road, and that guy was killed in an stadium by lining up like in movies. They asked public to come to see the killing so that they have fear and scared to commit a crime in future? Do you want such society? Run by fear? Not by law and fair trial? If you want that kind of punishment to create a fear so that public don't make crime, I think we better stop discussion on this topic. We are in different world. Of course, its extremely hard to visualize the concept of fair trial, but, fair trial is a leg of civilized society, I believe. We have to give education to all at least upto the age of grade 10. Arjun Gurung, whom I used to call Arjun Dai, have seen how venurable he was when he was in Amar Singh (R Baral ji, you look to be in between him and my grades..... I was in grade 8). Arjun was dada in that Age, but, when he went out of Teen Age life, he completely changed his behavior in contrast to Krishna-dada (younger bro. of Uttam-dada: Uttam-dada is now the President of a leading Bank: nice guy to Pokhareli's when it comes to getting loan instantly). What we need based on how these guys passed through, in my understanding is that they needed education and good environement. Had Tanke a better environment, they would have become good guy in the society. My understanding in Education is that Nepal should demolish the exam system they have in schools: every student should pass the class irrespective of score in the exam at least upto the age of 15, so that they can learn to be positive and optimistic. By failing them several times in the same class, we are turning them to be a member of Dada-giri and it is the root cause of dada-giri in Pokhara. Whether you believe or not, its the fact. Lets not give up for our sides on Fair Trial how severe is the crime s/he committed. Crimes can be reduced by an education system that is free and does not require to pass the exams, but, requires simple attendence. Think with cool mind. You need a good combination of heart and mind, to accept Free trial in order to make it move towards a modern civilized society. It looks now that we are still in Middle east type of society, equivalent to stoning a girls for having affair with a boy? Cutting hand for stealing a small item? ......... GP
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disillusioned
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Posted on 08-13-04 9:22
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GP bro, Law and order ,peace and prosperity ,civilised society.... we all dream of same thing, but in our context it looks a distant dream. but somehow I believe this war within will end someday, until then we just can behave in civilised way but not to expect same from others.
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DP
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Posted on 08-13-04 10:14
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GP jyu, Dadas might be poor guys but that doesn't give them right to do whatever they want.Dadas are no good--may it be Gyane Dada ( the big one), or Girija Dada, or MaKuNe ( Madhav Nepal), or ChiKuWa ( Chirinjivi Wagle).They all should be killed.Let's not forget about Prachanda and Baburam.What good have Chakre Milan and Manange done to our society?Why do we need them?They need to be killed one by one (or all at once).We are the only ones who deserve to live. Like it or not, that is how it should be. DP
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TilKumari_Ko_Poi
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Posted on 08-13-04 11:21
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GP Uttam pun was powerful politician in Pokhara.Why are you calling him dada ,i cannot understand ..he was Neta rather than Dada .Yes he had hired dada's namely Panche but to protect himself from opposition Sitaram KC who had hired dangerous dada called Tanke . The one who talks so many things about so many people in pokhara doesnt know no wrong doings by Tanke Dada ?? When Dhirendra Bir bikram shah dev (now dead ) was in pokhara attending Rastriya Khelkud pratiyogita more than a decade ago ,he saw two beautiful twin girls Namita Gurung and Ramita Gurung (sorry second name maybe wrong ).Our Dhirendra sarkar then ordered his ADC's to bring those girls to his room .He raped both of them .Since he had raped two clean school girls from pokhara he felt he was in deep trouble so he hired a famous dada called Tanke . This is the same Tanke who took 'supari' from dhirendra sarkar and killed those two girls in kalikhola ko bhir (near nadipur) by stabbing knife one by one on a broad day light while the cattle grazers on the other side looked on .Eye witneses were not one or two ,there were more than 10 they went to police station but since our Dhirendra sarkar had laamo haat longer than Kanoon ....Tanke walked free .Nepal ko kanoon Bhagwaan ley janoon . this is just one example he had killed one dozen people in Myagdi ,dhaulagiri anchal so and so ................
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Posted on 08-13-04 11:40
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GP, you are just not making sense.. No matter how uneducated you might be, how poor one can be, you are born with a thing called BRAIN, DIMAG to be more accurate, and with the use of that Dimag a person can decide what is Right and what is WRONG..and for me being a dada or a gunda wasnt a right choice, hurting people...and killing them.. and yes gal1 personally i BET Hitler wasnt bad either, he loved his job and he was a very dedicated person on what he was doing.... dammn ..GP. think logically, a guy who beats ppl up, steals frm them, a guy who has no respect to the society, nor himself, is he good to be around??...TO DECIDE WHATS GOOD YOU DONT HAVE TO BE EDUCATED ....if you cant do good to anyone, better do nothing, than doing bad....DUDE GET A LIFE MAN! u just make me sick! having regret is nothing, ITs just a EMOTIONAL PHASE that ONE man passes thru, what you have done cannot be changed and having regret for something you have committed, doesnt change anything...
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DP
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Posted on 08-13-04 1:12
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GP was not making any sense on the other thread (Lesbian kiss in Miss Nepal) either. What/ how does he think? DP.
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GP
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Posted on 08-13-04 6:53
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TK KO Poi: The skeleton of your story looks very similar to Namita Sunita kanda of 2037-2038. Namita Parajuli and Sunita Parajuli of Kathmandu. They went on trip to Pokhara with Neera Parajuli, said to be agent .... .... and Namita Sunita raped by some Royal relatives living in Army camp (Phulbari) and killed. Dead body found in Ram Ghat. I remember the terrible time, you can not speak their names and the thorough checks around ThanKot kathmandu asking each and every passenger whether someone knows about those R. gundas. Indeed a relative of mine was jailed in Pokhara for 15days without access to any relatives just for telling to some friends in his University in India that he might seen the girls and the guys seating on the bus seat in their tour to Pokhara. He was sent a CABLE message to university by Nepal Guptachar in his relatives name and the message wrote: your father is seriously sick and come by tomorrow. He came via Bhairhawa and was caught in Immigration and sent to Pokhara in secret police van, finally, jailed in Pokhara for 15. Finally released after they confirmed that the fellow was just joking and he did not exactly see the those gundas and the police confirmed that these gundas are safe. Unfortunately, a ban pale was killed and thrown into seti by police radio nepal said he died : sucide. He was in police custody and why he has to die? That was a white lie from Police. Thus, Pokhara was threatened by R. Gundas under the protection of Police and Army. Well, I am not talking about supporting Gundas whether Tanke or Uttam. Well, Uttam was dada and later Guru, now President. Unfortunately, Arjun was killed in the search of doing business related to Mani in Rautahat. I will always support the idea of fair trial in court and punishment that fits crime not more not less. I do not support such haphazard punishments whatever may be the level of crime. Its just another fear and another version of gundagardi. GP
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Posted on 08-13-04 9:01
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Oh My God .So he is the same Arjun that was killed in rautahat in search of"mani'? I read his story in 'satye kathaa ' kitaab . namita and shamita were prajuli's ?? are you sure ?? i thought they were gurungs . I was too young then . whatever the real murderer was Tanke . every tom dick and harry in pokhara knew about it .
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Posted on 08-14-04 6:19
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TK ko Poi, No, you are wrong. Namita Sunita ka villians were staying in RNA camp at Rani Pouwa. They are not from Pokhara, both victim and criminals are from Kathmandu, only they were harming Pokhara by committing crime in Pokhara. Pokhara was defamed by these rapists. Tanke was dada / gunda, but, in current nepal's contest he does not count. He was killed to create a fear, and classic dada giri (localized) is now replaced by organized crime syndicates as you know it and its in the name of politics. GP
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Posted on 08-15-04 5:33
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Well, dadagiri in Nepal is influence of HINDI MOVIES, illiteracy, poverty. Some people don't like to work and they want to get money from easiest way which is DADAGIRI. DADAS are given good benefit from their dadagiri. Thatýs why Nepal government , policymakers and politicians should give attention to the education of people and recruit them for a job (enough for food, shelter and education), avoid discriminations and promote good environment! gal1
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Posted on 08-15-04 11:08
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Now dadagiri has transformed into Don Corlioni style. Nepali Don Corlioni is Comrade Prachanda of CPMM.
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Posted on 08-15-04 2:03
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haha B_B, good one.. all these dada's shud be send to an assylum , coz they cant seem to think whats right and whats wrong...remember local dada's show their dadagiri on mostly UNEDUCATED ppl and the poor ppl are the ones that suffer..so as much as Hindi movies, illiteracy and proverty is concerned they are just an excused for doing WRONG ....dada giri doesnt require adding 2 plus 2, it requries some sense to know whats right...
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