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 Hinduism's Law Book of Thugs??
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Posted on 02-28-09 4:41 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Every religion has a certain aspect to it that needs an urgent amendment in regards to today's age of liberalization and economic empowerment barring caste/creed (instead of still blindly following the texts that relied on only the "caste" hierarchy as during the ancient times)...In Hinduism, that aspect of an overnight change needed and an abolishment of these illogical works/practices from the Stone Ages can be found in one of it's foremost religious texts, The Manusmriti - The Law Book of Hindus. The Manusmriti gave each varna (caste) their rightful place in society but for reasons we can clearly see unfair, the ones who wrote it are the ones who unfairly gained the most (the Priests or the Brahmanas). They imposed these laws stating it was passed on by Manu, the Progenitor of Mankind. And similar to the Moslem zealots and jihads today, these Brahmanas were the ones who ultimately brought about the overall downfall of their once proud/peaceful religion BUT overflowing with caste hierarchy and an appallingly blatant oppression of anyone meek...Pathetic!!

Below is an excerpt from The Manusmriti...Read it and scoff at it. BTW, What were these ancient retards thinking when they created this BS??



An excerpt from the Manusmriti – Law book of Hindus



I – 91. One occupation only the lord prescribed to the shudra to serve meekly even these other three castes.

I – 93. As the Brahmana sprang from (Prajapati’s i.e. God’s ) mouth, as he was first-born, and as he possesses the veda, he is by right the lord of this whole creation.

II – 31. Let (the first part of ) a brahmin’s (denote) something auspicious, a kshatriya’s name be connected with power and a vaishya’s with wealth, but a Shudra’s (express something) contemptible.

II-32. (The second part of) a brahmin’s (name) shall be (a word) implying happiness, of a kshatriya’s (word) implying protection, of a Vaishya’s (a term) expressive of thriving, and of a shudra’s (an expression) denoting service.

II – 100. Whatever exists in the world is the property of the Brahmana; on account of the excellence of his origin the Brahmana is indeed, entitled to it all.


Regarding the study of Vedas by shudras:

IV – 99. He (the twice born) must never read (the vedas) ----- in the presence of the shudras.

VIII – 37. When a learned Brahmin has found treasure, deposited in former (times), he may take even the whole (of it); for he is the master of everything.

VIII – 270. A shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invective, shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin.

VIII – 271. If he mentions names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth.

VIII – 410. King should order each man of the mercantile class to practice trade, or money lending or agriculture and attendance on cattle; and each man of the servile class to act in the service of the twice born.


About the status of women:

IX – 3 . Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independence.

IX – 18. Women have no business with the text of the veda.

IX – 189. The property of a Brahmana must never be taken by the king, that is a settled rule; but (the property of men) of other castes the king may take on failure of all (heirs).

IX – 317. A Brahmin, whether learned or ignorant, is a powerful divinity.

X – 121. If a shudra (unable to subsist by serving brahmanas) seeks a livelihood, he may serve kshatriyas, or he may also seek to maintain himself by attending on a wealthy vaishya.

X – 122. But let a shudra serve brahmans, either for the sake of heaven or with a view to both this life and the text, for he who is called the servant of a Brahmana thereby gains all his ends.

X – 123. The service of the Brahmana alone is declared to be an excellent occupation for a shudra; for whatever else besides this he may perform will bear no fruit.


Dealing with the question of wages to the shudras:

X – 124. They must allot to him (shudra) out of their own family property a suitable maintenance, after considering his ability, his industry and the number of those whom he is bound to support.

X – 125. The remnants of their food must be given to him, as well as their old clothes, the remainder of their grain and their old household furniture.

X – 129. No collection of wealth must be made by a shudra even though he be able to do it; for a shudra who has acquired wealth gives pain to Brahmana.

XI – 6. One should give, according to one’s ability, wealth to Brahmanas learned in the veda and living alone; (thus) one obtains after death heavenly bliss.

XI – 261-62. A Brahmana who has killed even the peoples of the three worlds, is completely freed from all sins on reciting three times the Rig, Yajur or Sama- Veda with the Upanishad.



Thus in Hinduism, there is no choice of avocation. There is no economic independence and there is no economic security. Economically, speaking of a Shudra is a precarious thing.

Successors of Manu made the disability of the Shudra in the matter of study of Veda into an offence involving dire penalties as:


XII. 4. If the shudra intentionally listens for committing to memory the veda, then his ears should be filled with (molten) lead and lac; if he utters the veda, then his tongue should be cut off; if he has mastered the veda his body should be cut to pieces.

 
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Posted on 02-28-09 9:09 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am no literary in this subject but here are my thoughts:



Untouchability was defied from time and on. If you read the life of adi
Shankaracharaya you will find that untouchability was defied by lord
Shiva himself.



I cannot vouch for manushmriti but my understanding is that the laws
that were made by using manushmriti is where the problem is. During the
old times laws were made by the almighty kings and were forced into the
society and no one could denounce it if it had the support of the royal
nobles.



I had a long discussion about manushmriti with few scholars from time
and on and here is what they have is the exert of the discussion. Caste
is not determined by birth rather by deeds. ब्रह्म जानाती ब्राह्मण्
(Brahma janati Brahmana) which means if you know ब्रह्म (God) than you
are a brahmin. One who cleans garbage is sudra, one who fights and
protects is chetreya etc.



Once I had discussion with an Indian historian/scholar about the same subject and
he said that there was no discrimination in ancient India for education
or higher education. If you read ancient history this will become clear.



I agree with you and I don't understand why manushmriti is so harsh on
other casts, my guess is it is politicized like any other religious
text and have added discrimination for the benefit of the few.



On the same note US is trying hard to fight discrimination but there is
a section for "race" in every form that you have to fill it in
including government, credit card, bank and university forms. No one
can deny that there is racism in US even though there are laws against
it and discrimination is increasing despite all the efforts. US is
facing the problem of discrimination like we are facing.



My 2 cents.

 


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